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French Decorative Bookbinding - Eighteenth Century

Plumet or Douceur


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On the previous page we were looking at Barber's W.Cat.422 binding. I did not have the exact size of this binding and I decided to search for online copies to see if I could find the dimensions for this publication. I could have resized it another way but that didn't occure to me right away and instead I was Googling through a lot of information when suddenly almost by accident I happened to see that the BnF's Gallica had a copy, better check that I thought, maybe there is a binding that goes with it, bingo, the Jackpot! I discovered the binding shown at the top of this page. At first it looked very much like a Douceur, especially with what appeared as Douceurs typical outer roulette. Here was an amazing find it actually looked like some kind of Plumet Douceur hybrid and the great part was that I would be able to download some sharp 400 dpi images of this treasure.



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Comparative Diagram 1 - Barber's W.Cat.422 Plumet binding vs Bnf, RES, 4BL-4224.


In Comparative Diagram 1, we see the two examples of this 1745 Longus, the bindings are the same size, the large corner imprint is what I used to resize the W.Cat.422 photograph.



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Comparative Diagram 3 - Plumet W.Cat.422. overlay on top of Bnf, RES, 4BL-4224


I could have used Barber's DCR-17 type model to achieve the same thing as we see in Comparative Diagram 3, you put a semi-transparent copy of your imprint on top of one that you know is an exact size, if its too small you enlarge it by increments until you have close fit (within 1%). Here I was starting to wonder, if this was a real Douceur why was I finding strange discrepencies, the first most obvious was Douceurs D-1 imprint, one of his favorites and found on his signed bindings (click here to see one, Davis543)



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Comparative Diagram 4 - Bnf, RES, 4BL-4224 imprints vs Douceur d-1 imprints from Davis544


In Comparative Diagram 4 we see something amazing, these imprints look very similar, here is a deliberate attempt at a copy, it is only when you see these imprints greatly enlarged that you see that they are not the same... why?. I see someone in the back raising his hand, and yes Douceur could have lost the original and had another made, maybe... but lets look at the next puzzle an imprint that I said was post Douceur right underneath the fake d-1!.



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Comparative Diagram 5 - Bnf, RES, 4BL-4224 Barber FR 65 imprints.


We see something that I missed in these FR 65 imprints shown on the previous page, and that is there is a small ring with a dot inside of it included with this imprint residing just below it. Finding this imprint was a shock to my system, I did not think that Douceur was using this tool although Chenu had it around the time Douceur retired. I tried many overlay diagrams because each time I did, this imprint seemed larger than the W.Cat.422 examples. In the end we have to admit that is is probably the same imprint, but is it a Douceur tool or a Plumet tool? We can see many of the other W.Cat.422 imprints here, the sheep as well.



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Comparative Diagram 6 - W.Cat.422 imprint FR 65 overlay on Bnf, RES, 4BL-4224 FR 65 imprint


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Comparative Diagram 7 - Inner dentelle from Plumet signed binding 174 vs inner dentelle from Bnf, RES, 4BL-4224


In Comparative Diagram 7, some of you are going to say that I am clutching at straws, but I just happened to notice when I enlarged the Plumet signed binding 174, that the inner dentalle was just barely visible and rather unusual. Stranger than fiction, it appears as though this BnF binding also has this same inner dentelle, if this is the case then I think we can assume that Plumet may have had something to do with this binding...



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another Padeloup binding on eBay 07/12/2014


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Rare Padeloup binding on eBay 15/11/2014



Pierre-Paul Dubuisson's work attributed to Derone le jeune 23/10/2014 (unfinished work now finished)


Pierre-Paul Dubuisson's work attributed to Douceur 22/10/2014 (an under contruction page finished at last)


Louis-Marie Michon - the 1956 Disaster 19/10/2014 (an unfinished page finished at last)


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Atelier des reliures LOUIS XII - Atlas Catalan 12/01/2014


Atelier des reliures LOUIS XII - FRANÇOIS Ier - Linacre bindings 05/01/2014


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Atelier des reliures LOUIS XII - FRANÇOIS Ier - Chronology 16/01/2014


Atelier des reliures LOUIS XII - FRANÇOIS Ier - Inventory - binding No. 29 19/01/2014


Atelier des reliures LOUIS XII - FRANÇOIS Ier - Inventory - binding No. 39 19/01/2014


Atelier des reliures LOUIS XII - FRANÇOIS Ier - The mysterious disappearance of François Tissard d'Amboise 23/01/2014


Atelier des reliures LOUIS XII - FRANÇOIS Ier - The Simon Vostre fiasco 18/01/2014


L'Atelier Simon Vostre 1486-1521 01/01/2014


L'Atelier de Pierre Roffet 1511-1533 - TOOL CATALOGUE 26/01/2014


L'Atelier de Pierre Roffet 1511-1533 27/12/2013


Pierre Roffet - fleur-de-lis binder 28/12/2013


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Atelier Étienne Roffet 1538-1549 12/12/2013


Atelier Jean Picard 1538-1547


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Atelier Ruette 1606-1669 INVENTORY


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Atelier Antoine Ruette 1638-1669


Atelier des Caumartin 1652-1715


Atelier de Charenton 1670-1685


Atelier Luc-Antoine Boyet 1685-1733


Atelier Antoine-Michel Padeloup. dit Le Jeune 1685-1758


Atelier Louis Douceur 1721-1769


Atelier Pierre-Paul Dubuisson 1746-1762


Atelier Nicolas-Denis Derome, dit Derome le Jeune 1761-1788


Atelier Jean-Pierre Jubert, 1771-1793?


Atelier MM binder, 1770-179-?





A word of Caution

Even experts are sometimes wrong, before you spend thousands on a book, please do your own research! Just because I say a certain binding can be attributed to le Maitre isn't any kind of guarantee, don't take my word for it, go a step further and get your own proof. In these pages I have provided you with a way of doing just that.

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